You are connected to event: lacnic GEOLOCATION. AUGUST 26, 2020.Prueba de texto Agosto 26 de 2020 LACNIC Hola, buenas tardes a todos, vamos a comenzar con esta presentación de Massimo Candela. Marcio, si puedes me dejas proyectar unos slides? >> Adelante. >> Simplemente quiero volver a presentar a Massimo Candela, la presentación es de la geolocalización Ip. Voy comentar de la metodología, será de una hora aproximadamente, preguntas durante la actividad, vamos a hacer pausa durante la sesión, Massimo indicará y ahí leeremos las preguntas que hay, utilices la sesión Q&A, fíjese que está en la parte inferior de Zoom. Pregunten por esa vía, de esta manera vamos a tener ordenadas las preguntas y es lo que vamos a leer para que Massimo responda. Este webinar tiene traducción simultánea, inglés, portugués y español, también la posibilidad de seleccionar la traducción, Massimo va a estar hablando en inglés, por lo tanto los que no se sientan cómodos pueden seleccionar la opción de traducción a inglés, las preguntas se pueden hacer en cualquiera de los idiomas de los tres, en ruso no, por ejemplo, pero en inglés, español y portugués sí. Y bueno, el webinar está siendo grabado, luego quedará disponible. Acerca de Massimo Candela, es ingeniero de software senior, desarrollo de aplicaciones para facilitar las operaciones diarias de internet, recursos de referencia para operadores de red, aspectos de desempeño de red, seguramente han visto muchos conocen algunos de los que aparecen en pantalla. Massimo trabajó durante casi seis años, En RIPE NCC y actualmente contribuye a la automatización del red local. Ahora doy la palabra a Massimo Candela. >> Muchas gracias, hola a EVERYBODY. I AM REALLY EXCITED FOR THIS WEBINAIR BECAUSE THEY TOLD ME IT IS LIKE MORE THAN 150 ATTENDEES. THAT IS REALLY GOOD. SO I WOULD LIKE TO THANK YOU FOR PARTICIPATING AND ALSO THANK THE STAFF BECAUSE THEY ORGANIZED THIS AND THEY INVITED ME. I REALLY LIKE IT. ALSO, THE PEOPLE WORKING ON THE TRANSMISSION AT THE MOMENT IN TWO LANGUAGES IS REALLY NICE. I AM MASSIMO CANDELA. WE HAVE SERVICES AMONG WHICH IT IS PROVIDED. WE HAVE ONE OF THE LARGEST IN THE WORLD. THE LIST TO THE BEST OF MY KNOWLEDGE ANYWAY THIS ALLOWS US FOR THE CONTRIBUTION TO THE COMMUNITY FOR THE GLOBAL INTERNET. I ALSO DO SOME GEOLOCATION. I STARTED DOING THE GEOLOCATION IN 2015 WHILE WORKING AT THE GEOLOCATION SERVICE. THEN I KEPT SEARCHING THE TOPIC. I OFTEN RECEIVE QUESTIONS AND I HOPE THAT TODAY WITH THIS WEBINAIR I CAN ANSWER SOME OF YOUR QUESTIONS. LET'S GO TO THE POWERPOINT. I WILL REMOVE THIS. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE GEOLOCATION. IT IS ESSENTIALLY THE PROCESS OF UNDERSTANDING WHERE THE DEVICE CONNECTED IS. WE WILL NOT TALK ABOUT GPS, ONE, BECAUSE I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT IT. ALSO BECAUSE I TEACH GEOLOCATION. ANY DEVICES WHICH THEY DON'T HAVE OR DON'T SHARE GPS INFORMATION. WHAT WOULD YOU LIKE TO DO SOME GEOLOCATION? THE FIRST REASON BECAUSE YOU WANT TO. YOU WANT TO KNOW WHEN TO USE IT. YOU WANT TO ANALYZE THE RULES. OR YOU WANT TO FOR EXAMPLE PROVIDE DIFFERENT COUNTRIES. LIKE YOU HAVE A WEBSITE YOU WANT TO TRANSLATE WITH ANOTHER LANGUAGE OR OFFER DIFFERENT MOVIES FOR PEOPLE IN THE COUNTRY AND PEOPLE IN OTHER COUNTRIES. TO TWO APPROACHES FOR LOCATIONS. THE GEOLOCATION IS DONE PASSIVE WITHOUT DOING ANY MEASUREMENT BY USING GENERAL STUDY DATA. THE GEOLOCATIONS THAT IS DONE WITH ACTIVE MEASUREMENT. WE WILL SEE WHAT THAT MEANS. LET'S START WITH THE PASSIVE GEOLOCATION. I AM GOING TO SHOW A LIST OF USE FOR PASSIVE. THERE IS NOT REALLY A MAIN. ESSENTIALLY IT IS THE USE OF SUCH DOMAIN FOR THAT INFORMATION. FOR EXAMPLE THEY CAN USE THE COMMON LANGUAGE AND TRY THE CODE AND USE IT. YOU CAN DO IT AND FIND THAT INFORMATION. >> I-8 76 WHICH IS IN THIS CASE LET'S SAY IT IS NOT SO OFTEN MAYBE ALSO BECAUSE THEY USE THIS LIKE THIS. WHICH IS MAYBE A BIT LIKE COMPLICATED THAT YOU HAVE HAVE ONE OF THOSE ANYWAY. THIS IS ONLY ORGANIZED IT WOULD BE. ENOUGH THAT WE HAVE THE RIR DATABASES. THEY ARE THE REGISTRY. AND THEY PROVIDE A DATABASE WITH INFORMATION ABOUT THE COMPANY. SOMETIMES THIS INFORMATION IS USED FOR GEOLOCATION. WHAT THEY ESSENTIALLY DO IS THEY HAVE THE DATABASES OF THE LOCATION OF THE COMPANY THAT OWNS AND HOLDS THE IP ADDRESS, WHICH IS NOT REALLY THE CORRECT WAY TO DO. WHATEVER THE IP ADDRESS OF GOOGLE YOU REQUIRE GEOLOCATION, A LOT OF THEM ARE GEOLOCATION AND THIS IS NOT THE CASE. I WAS ABLE TO REACH FROM MY AT IN ROME. SO WE WILL TALK ABOUT THIS LATER. THE SECOND PAGE. THE PASSIVE GEOLOCATION. WE HAVE THE GEOLOC. IT IS A SPECIFIC FIELD THAT YOU CAN ASSOCIATE WITH YOUR DATABASE TO PROVIDE GEOLOCATION FOR A SPECIFIC PREFIX IN THE FORM OF LATITUDE AND LONG I ATTITUDES. IT IS SPECIFIC ONLY TO THESE TWO. IN ADDITION TO THAT THE LATITUDE AND LONG I ATTITUDES. YOU WANT TO GIOLOCATE THE CENTER OF THE CITY OR COUNTRY, WHAT SPECIFIC BOUNDARIES. AFTER ANOTHER SOURCE THIS TIME SOMETHING IS FLEXIBLE AND ORGANIZED WELL FROM THE PUBLISHING GEOFEED. WE WILL TALK ABOUT THIS MORE. NOW IT ONLY COMES FROM NO CENTRAL REGION. YOU MAY BE SURPRISED BUT CROWD-SOURCED DATA IS ONE OF THE MAIN SOURCE OF THE GEOLOCATION DATA. THEY PROVIDE DATA TO GEOLOCATION PROVIDEDERS. THEY UPDATE THAT. A LOT OF GEOLOCATION COMES FROM CROWD HE SOURCED DATA THAT ALLOWS THAT. LAST, COMMERCIAL DATA SETS. THEY ARE AT THE MOMENT PROVIDING 90% OF THE GEOLOCATION. THEY HAVE COMBINED ALL THE SOURCES THAT I TOLD YOU BEFORE, ALL OF THE METHODS. THEY ALLOW CROWD SOURCED BUS YOU CAN CORRECT IT. THEY THINK A LOT OF THE FORECAST AND THEY ALSO USE US. A LOT IS COMING FROM THE WEBSITE. IF YOU BUY A PRODUCT ON e-commerce YOU SHIP IT TO AN ADDRESS, THEY SAY, WELL, THAT ADDRESS MUST BE IN THAT PLACE. IT MAY BE TRUE OR WRONG. MAYBE YOU ORDER IT FROM A DIFFERENT COMPANY. THEY ALSO USE SUCH INFORMATION. THEY PROVIDE A LOT OF THE GEOLOCATION DATA AVAILABLE AT THE MOMENT. NOW, WHAT DO YOU DO WITH THE GEOLOCATION? THE FIRST THING IS THE REGISTRY. THEY ARE NOT RESPONSIBLE FOR GEOLOCATION. NO WAY. THEY JUST LOCATE THE SERVICES AND THEY ARE NOT GEOLOCATION PROVIDED. NEVER PROVIDED THIS INFORMATION OUT. THERE IS NO WAY THAT THEY CAN HELP YOU WITH THAT. SOME OF THIS, LIKE I SAID, THEY INTRODUCE AND TRY TO DECLARE THESE ARE SCHEDULED FOR USE AND USED BIOLOGYIO LOCATION PROVIDERS. THEY ARE NOT REALLY THERE. WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO DO? IT IS NOT MAGIC. WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO IS PERFECT THE GEOLOCATION. I KEEP THIS LIST THAT I TRY TO KEEP UP-TO-DATE. WITH ALL OF THE MAJOR GEOLOCATION PROVIDERS. THE FIRST FOUR THEY ALLOW YOU TO CROWD SOURCE THE GEOLOCATION WITH THE API OR WITH A FORM. SOMETIMES YOU CAN PROVIDE THE CORRECT INFORMATION FOR YOUR GEOLOCATION. THE OTHER OPERATORS PROVIDE THE GENETIC WHERE YOU CAN PUT THEM IN CORRECTLY. I AM IN CONTACT WITH SOME OF THEM AND PARTICULARLY ONE IS WORKING WITH THE LIST ABOVE. MAYBE SOON THE DYNAMICS WILL CHANGE. ALMOST ALL OF THEM THEY ACCEPT GEOFEED WHICH IS THE FORM THAT WE WILL TALK. GEOFEEDS. AS I SAID, THERE IS A DRAFT OF A DOCUMENT WITH THE INFORMATION. IT IS A FORMATS FOR SELF-PUBLISHED I P GEOLOCATION. SELF-PUBLISHED IS THE KEY. YOU PUBLISH IT YOURSELF ON YOUR WEBSITE WHERE YOU WANT. YOU CAN ALSO CREATE A TIME. ONLY FOR THE PREFIXES AND ID YOU WANT AND MAYBE YOU WANT TO PUBLISH IT. YOU WANT TO PROVIDE THAT. IT IS FLEXIBLE COMPARED TO THE PREVIOUS FORMS THAT I EXPLAINED BECAUSE IT ALLOWS GEOLOCATION OF THE SINGLE I P ADDRESS OR AN ENTIRE PREFIX. IT ALLOWS USES THE METHOD SO YOU CAN ATTACH THIS IS THE SPECIFIC REGION AND THIS SUFFICIENT FIX WITH ANOTHER SPECIFIC CITY IT WILL LET YOU KNOW WHAT IT IS. ALSO, YOU CAN LIKE GIOLOCATE IT TO SEE WHAT YOU WANT SEPARATE FROM JUST THE COUNTRY TO THE CITY. AT THE MOMENT IT IS ADOPTED BY GOOGLE. THAT MEANS THAT GOOGLE NOT ONLY PROVIDES THE LIST OF PROVIDERS BUT ALSO SOME OF THESE FILES FROM OTHER -- I THINK AT THE MOMENT 400 OPERATORS THAT THEY GIVE THIS INFORMATION AND USE IT FOR THE GEO LOCATION. IF YOU DON'T PUBLISH IT ANYWHERE, IT IS USEFUL AS A FORMAT TO KEEP IT UP-TO-DATE AND TO PROVIDE IT WITH THE CORRECT GEOLOCATION. SOME OF THE PROVIDERS IN THE LESS BEFORE THEY MAKE IT SO THEY ACCEPT THE FILE. IT HAS A SPECIFIC SECTION WHERE YOU CAN CREATE YOUR GEOFEEDS AND THEY WILL START FOR YOU. NOW, THE GEOFEED FORMAT. IT IS ESSENTIALLY IP OR PREFIX WITH THE COUNTRY, REGION, CITY. THE LAST COMMA IS BECAUSE BEFORE THERE WASN'T IT A ZIP CODE. IT WAS CLEARLY TOO MUCH AND OPERATORS MAY HAVE INTENDED THAT TO PROVIDE ZIP CODE OR THINGS LIKE THIS. DURING THE DISCUSSION IT SHOULD PROVIDE THAT BUT IT IS STILL A COMMA AT THE END. THE COUNTRY IS EXPRESSED IN TWO LETTERS ISO. 3166-1 ALPHA 2. WE WILL SEE IT. I SEE A LOT OF THINGS GOING ON AT THE MOMENT WITH THE CHAT. WE WILL OPEN THIS. THIS IS THE LANGUAGE SO WE GO AND PUT IT THERE. SEARCH. AS YOU CAN SEE THE ALPHA 2 WHICH IS THE ONE SPECIFIED IS IP. IN PLACE OF THE COUNTRY, PUT I P. TO SEARCH FOR THE REGION ON THIS PAGE, CLICK ON THE COUNTRY AND IT WILL TELL YOU ALL OF THE POSSIBLE REGIONS. THESE ARE IN GENERAL LIKE TWO ITEMS THAT ARE ATTACHED. NOW, FROM THE CD YOU SAW THE FIELD. YOU CAN PUT WHATEVER, BUT I STRONGLY SUGGEST YOU USE THE GIONAME WHICH IS AVAILABLE. THE CLOSEST AVAILABLE. YOU CAN CLICK ON THIS. IT IS GONE. THEY DON'T WANT ANY MORE ACCESS. LET ME TRY AGAIN. OKAY. SOMETHING WRONG WITH THAT. THE NAME SO YOU CAN ESSENTIALLY PROVIDE THAT NAME COLUMN. NOW, YOU CAN KEEP IT UP-TO-DATE. GENERALLY NOT AUTOMATICALLY EXCEPT FOR GOOGLE WHICH HAS AN AUTOMATIC ECKSYSTEM. ANYWAY HAVING IT FOR EXAMPLE TO SHARE WITH SOME OF THE PROVIDERS. THIS IS AN EXAMPLE. THIS IS WHEN YOU WANT TO GIOLOCATE. A LOCATION AND SAY NOT YOU ARE NOT LOCATED HERE. IT IS ALLOWED. WE HAVE A SPECIFIC I P ADDRESS THAT WE GIOLOCATE IN ITALY. IN THE REGION FROSINONE. ANOTHER IP IN THE SAME COUNTRY AND CITY BUT IN ROME. THIS IS UNACCEPTABLE. IT IS IN THE SAME REGION. WE DON'T SPECIFY THE CITY. WHAT THAT MEANS THAT EVERYTHING WE LOOK FOR FOR NUMBER ONE OR TWO TO GIOINDICATE THE SPECIFIC CITY. FOR THE OTHER ONE WE DON'T KNOW. THEY ARE IN THE REGION. THIS IS WHERE IT IS GIOLOCATED IN ALABAMA. HERE IS WHERE IT IS LOCATED IN THE U.S. I THINK NOW IT IS TIME FOR A SMALL BREAK WHERE YOU CAN DO QUESTIONS. I WILL NOW STOP SHARING AND ENABLE THE TRANSLATION. IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS, YOU CAN DO ITbueno tenemos una pregunta, recuerden que si tienen preguntas van a la sección de Q&A, Vamos con Andrés Acevedo. ¿Tiene algún costo para la entidad, el geofead? >> >> THIS IS SELF-PUBLISHED. YOU PUBLISH IT ON YOUR WEBSITE WHEREVER YOU WANT. YOU CAN COMMUNICATE WITH THE GEOLOCATION PROVIDER. THERE IS NO COST TO SHARE. IT IS JUST A FORM TO SPECIFY AND ISSUE A GEOLOCATION DATA WHICH IS MORE AND MORE IN ADDITION TO GOOGLE WHICH IS AN IMPORTANT PLAYER AND POSSIBLY SOON USED IN ANOTHER WAY, BUT IT>> Gracias, Massimo, por el momento no hay más preguntas, recuerden que si quieren consultar pueden ir haciéndolas durante la presentación, Vamos con una más: ¿Qué proveedores de contenido usan los geofeedespués>> AT THE MOMENT THE ONLY ONE EXPRESSED DO ME IS GOOGLE. THEY ARE IN THIS LEVEL. THE ONLY ONE FOR NOW IS GOOGLE. I REPEAT. MOST OF THE GEOLOCATION IS COMING FROMORGIO LOCATION PROVIDERS. THOSE PROVIDERS ALSO USE GEOFEEDS. IF I KNOW OTHER PROVIDERS IN THE FUTURE, I WILL LET YOUTenemos una mas: Está en inglés. >> I JOINED A LITTLE LATE. COMMERCIAL GEOLOCATION PROVIDER THAT ACCEPTS GEOFEEDS. IS THERE A LIST AVAILABLE? SPECIFICALLY I KNOW THAT GOOGLE AND I P CAN PUBLISH. >> IN THE LIST I PROVIDED EVEN IF NOT EVERYBODY ABOUT THAT FEATURE THEY ACCEPT IT. LET ME SHARE AGAIN THE LIST. THIS IS THE LIST THAT I SHARED. SO THE IP HAS ALSO FORM. THIS ONE AND I ALSO KNOW THAT SOME MANAGE TO PROVIDE THE GEOLOCATION UPDATES FROM OTHER PROVIDERS. THEY DON'T SPECIFY THAT. I KNOW THE IP IS IN THE PROCESS OF COMMUNICATING TO ME. I CANNOT SAY ANYTHING FOR THE OTHER PROVIDERS. . Si te parece continuamos con la presentación, y más adelante hacemos otra ronda de consulta ¿Sí? >> I AM GOING TO SHARE AGAIN MY PRESENTATION. I JUST SAW THE QUESTION YOU ASKED. THE FIRST STEP I WOULD DO BECAUSE THE MAIN PROBLEM HERE IS ACTUALLY I FORGOT TO MENTION THE MAIN PROBLEM WITH THE PASSIVE GEOLOCATION ARE THAT THESE ARE ALL INFORMATION THAT THEY ARE PROVIDED MANUALLY. I HAVE MENTIONED WHAT IS IMPORTANT. YOU HAVE TO KEEP THEM UPDATED. NOT ONLY YOU HAVE TO KEEP THEM UPDATED BUT ALSO THE GEOLOCATION PROVIDERS HAVE TO CHECK IF THAT INFORMATION CHANGED. THIS IS A LOT OF PROBLEMS. FOR EXAMPLE THIS IS FROM ANOTHER PROVIDER OR FROM ANOTHER REGION THAT INFORMATION BECOMES STALE. IT IS NOT AUTOMATICALLY UPDATED. YOU HAVE TO UPDATE IT AND THEY PULL IT BACK AGAIN. THIS IS THE MAIN ISSUE WITH THIS. EVEN THE LIST THAT YOU HAVE TO UPDATE AND BE THEY HAVE TO USE IT WHICH IS IMPORTANT. TO COME BACK TO THIS. THE MAIN THING IS TO HAVE YOUR GEOLOCATION TO THE PROVIDER. BUT BEFORE THAT TRY TO CHECK WHICH OF THE PREVIOUS METHODS ACTUALLY PROVIDING THE LOCATION. FOR EXAMPLE, BE SURE YOU UPDATE YOUR INFORMATION IN THE DATA BASE OR UPDATE YOUR INFORMATION IN THE GEOFEEDS. A FEW PEOPLE ARE USING IT. BE SURE THAT FROM YOUR SIDE EVERYTHING IS CORRECT. THAT IS THE FIRST STEP. I WOULD ALSO SUGGEST THAT YOU GO AND CHILDREN IN THE GEOLOCATION PROVIDERS. OKAY. NOW LET'S GO TO ACTIVE GEOLOCATION. ACTIVE GEOLOCATION TRIES TO SOLVE THE PROBLEM I JUST DESCRIBED WHICH IS ESSENTIALLY ALL METHODS BEFORE. THE FACT THAT MEANS TOO EASY TO FORGET OR OLD DATA. THE GEOLOCATION ACTIVE DOES THAT. WHAT IS IT? ACTIVE GEOLOCATION USING THE INFORMATION. ALL OF THE METHODS AVAILABLE, THE UPDATES ON THESE THREE THREE STEPS. IMAGINE YOU HAVE A SET OF DEVICES, SERVERS AND YOU KNOW THE LOCATION OF THE SERVER. MAYBE YOU PLACED THOSE SERVERS THERE. WHAT YOU CAN DO IS TO TAKE THOSE SERVERS. NOW NOW ON WE WILL CALL THEM LANDMARKS. TAKE THOSE LAND MARKS. FROM THERE THE LATENCY MEASUREMENT TO THE TARGET IP ADDRESS. TO THE DEVICE YOU WANT TO GIOLOCATE. WHAT YOU GET WITH THIS IS THE LAUNCHING TIME. WHAT YOU DO IS YOU CAN DIVIDE IT UP BY TWO AND THE APPROXIMATION OF THE DELAY. IT IS APPROXIMATION BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW IF THE TIME TOOK MORE TO REACH FROM THE SOURCE TO THE TARGET OR TO THE TARGET BACK TO THE SOURCE. HOW MUCH TIME YOU SPENT. A BETTER WAY TO DO IT YOU DIVIDE BY 2 AND GET THE LATENCY FROM THE SOURCE TO THE TARGET. IT IS THE LOCATION THAT IS LIKE GENERAL SHOOT FOR THE SPEED OF LIGHT. THE SPEED OF LIGHT MEANS THE TIME NEEDED THE KILOMETERS DONE IN ONE MILLIONLY SECOND BY THE LIGHT SIGNAL TO THE FIBER. THIS IS OF COURSE THE GENETIC WHICH IS BASED ON AN IDEA WHERE THE LANDMARK AND THE TARGET IS ONE STRAIGHT FIBER. OF COURSE, THIS IS ALL APPROXIMATION. THE GEOLOCATION METHODS DO REFINEMENT. THIS THEY HAVE EVERY TIME. SO AFTER ONCE YOU HAVECLOSEST LAND MARK AND THE LOCATION. SO NOW THIS IS THE CLOSEST LANDMARK ALGORITHM WHICH IS USED. WHAT YOU DO IS YOU ISSUE FROM A LOT OF LANDMARKS OR AS MANY LANDMARKS AS YOU WANT. BEING THE MEASUREMENT THROUGHOUT THE IP YOU WANT TO GIOLOCATE. YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION ONLY THE SHORTEST OR SMALLEST AMOUNT OF TIME. YOU DO THE SAME THING. YOU SAY, WELL, THE TARGET IS IN THE SAME CITY OR ANYWAY THE SAME COUNTRY, DEPENDING WHERE YOU WANT TO GIOLOCATE THE LANDMARK. THE TARGET IS THE SAME PLACE OF WHERE THE FASTEST LANDMARK TO REACH THE TARGET IS. OF COURSE, IT WORKS ONLY IF YOU HAVE LANDMARKS NEARBY. THE MULTILATERATION IS AN ALGORITHM WHERE INSTEAD OF THAT ONE YOU USE SOME OF THEM. YOU CREATE THESE AREAS AND YOU ESSENTIALLY PLACE THE TARGET TO THE CENTER OF THE SECTION OF THIS AREA. YOU CAN HAVE LANDMARKS, LESS LANDMARKS BECAUSE YOU CAN HAVE A CONTINUOUS SPACE. THE IDEA IS THAT QUALITY OF THE LANDMARKS. THE SECTIONS ARE HUGE AND NO WAY IN THIS CASE THE POSITION OF THE LANDMARKS AND AMOUNT OF LANDMARKS IS REALLY IMPORTANT. JUST TO CLARIFY. GEOLOCATION AT THE MOMENT IS NOT REALLY INVOLVED TOO MUCH IN WHAT YOU SEE FROM THE LIGHT SURFACES. IT IS MOSTLY IN THE LAST FIVE YEARS MORE AND MORE IN THE SEARCH. IT IS USED FOR A FOUNDATION, BUT IT IS NOT YET SO MUCH USED IN PRODUCTION. THE PRODUCTION SERVICE IS CALLED RIPE IP MAP. THIS IS A GEOLOCATION SERVICE WHERE THE IDEA IS IT IS A SERVICE TO COMBINE TOGETHER GEOLOCATION OPERATORS. EACH OF THEM ISOLATED IN WHAT IS CALLED GEOLOCATION ENGINE. SOME OF THESE CAN BE PASSIVE. THEY CAN BE LIKE IN OTHER ENGINES. THEY DON'T ANSWER THE SAME QUESTION AND FOR THE SAME QUESTION AND AFTER ALL OF THE ANSWERS ARE GROUPED TOGETHER. THESE ENGINES THERE IS THE SO-CALLED SINGLE WHICH I DEVELOPED WHILE I WAS USING ACTIVE MEASUREMENT. AT THE MOMENT IT HAS MORE THAN 11,000. IT IS MORE LIKE THE DATACENTERS. ESSENTIALLY, THIS IS YOU PUT THE LOCATION. YOU CLICK AND IT JUST GIVES YOU A LIST OF CITIES WHERE THIS IP ADDRESS IS POSSIBLE TO BE. A LIST OF CITIES, WHY? POSSIBILITY THAT SUCH CITY IS THE REAL CITY. >> SO IT IS ALSO LIKE PRODUCTION. AS YOU CAN SEE THERE IS ALSO THE GEOLOCATION. NOW GOING BACK TO THE WHAT I WAS SAYING HERE. THIS CITY IS THE DISTANCE FROM THE LANDMARK NUMBER OF CITIES AND DATACENTERS AND POPULATION. IMPORTANT FACTOR BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE AMOUNT OF THE CITIES AND INCREASE THE POSSIBILITY THAT IS THE CITY THEY ARE LOOKING FOR COMPARED TO OTHERS. THEIR LOCATION. NOW, GOING BACK HERE. WE DID AN EVALUATION WITH CAIDA. IT IS THE ACCURACY AND COVERAGE EVALUATION. YOU TAKE THE DATA SET OF IP KNOWN LOCATIONS. YOU KNOW ALREADY WHAT THOSE ADDRESSES ARE. YOU ASK THAT QUESTION. AFTER YOU CHECK THE THE DISTRIBUTION. IN TOTAL WE USED THIS EXPERIMENT FOR 968 IPs. IT IS A TARGET BECAUSE WE CANNOT JUST MEASURE ONE THING WITH ITSELF. ALSO, THERE IS THE COVERAGE WE USE THE DATA SET. THE COVERAGE MEANS ONLY WE WANT TO KNOW THERE ARE MANY DATA SETS. WE NEED ONLY A DATA SET BIG ENOUGH THAT HAS IPs THAT WE ARE SURE THAT CAN BE REACHED. IN THIS CASE THE MANIC HAS 16,000 IPs. WE USE GEOLOCATION THAT WAS NARROWED. WHAT THAT MEANS THAT THE LOCATIONS THAT MENTIONS THE SIZE OF THE AVERAGE METROPOLITAN AREA OR WHATEVER. IT MEANS THAT IF YOU HAVE IT WITHIN 40 KILOMETERS. IF IT IS ABOVE IT IS NOT ACCURATE ANY MORE. WE WHICH ESSENTIALLY MEANS THAT THE 95TH PERCENT SENTILE AT THE UPPER AND THE OTHER 44 KILOMETERS. PRODUCERS. WHAT YOU WILL SEE IS 80% OF THE SING-RAIDDIA RESULTS WERE WITHIN THE 40 KILOMETERS FROM THE ERROR THRESHOLD. NOW THE COVERAGE. THE COVERAGE IS SOMETHING DIFFERENT. THE GEOLOCATION PROVIDED IS 100%. THE COVERAGE WE DON'T KNOW IF IT IS CORRECT OR NOT. WE WANT TO KNOW HOW MANY ANSWERS CAN YOU GET. THE I P LOCATION HAS TO BE ONLINE AND HAS TO BE CLOSE ENOUGH. ANYWAY, WITHOUT DATA SET WHICH WAS 16,000 IPs AND MORE, WE MANAGED TO HAVE ONE ANSWER FOR THE 78.5% OF THEM, WHICH WAS THE MANIC ADDRESSES. WHEN YOU SEE THESE STUDIES, YOU HAVE TO SEE THE USE. THEY REALLY PROVIDE MULTIPLY IN EUROPE AND U.S. THE POSITION OF THE TARGETS MAY GIVE IT THE SAME WAY IN THE CONFIDENCE. WE HAVE THE STUDY. YOU HAVE TO TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE FACT THAT IT IS BASED ON THE LOCATION WHERE YOU ARE. IN PARTICULAR, IF YOU LOOK AT THIS MAP WHICH WAS DONE TWO YEARS AGO IN SOUTH AMERICA THE MAXIMUM THEORETICAL. THEY ARE LESS THAN 10 KILOMETERS. THE CENTRAL PART IS BELOW 100 KILOMETERS. THE RIGHT ONE. THE SITUATION IN THIS IS GOOD. FOR EXAMPLE NOW, IF YOU GO TO THE WEBSITE THERE ARE A LOT IN THIS AREA AND A LOT MORE IN SOUTH AMERICA. THIS IS DEPENDENT ON THE USE THIS THIS CASE. I WILL UPDATE AND CREATE THIS IMAGE AGAIN. I FINISHED. I NOW WOULD LIKE TO ENABLE THE TRANSLATION IF YOU HAVE QUESTIONS. Massimo. Hay algunas preguntas que son parecidas o tienen relación entre sí, te haré una sola porque hay muchas que vuelven a consultar sobre cómo actualizar la información de Geolocalización, sería bueno que vuelvas a mostrar los slides de los distintos. ¿Cómo se puede determinar con quién dirigirse para distribuar geolocalización de un bloque que acaba de ser asignado a una organización? ¿Cómo determinó quién provee el servicio de geolocalización a la página que me dice accesarla? >> YOU CAN ESSENTIALLY NOT DO ANYTHING ABOUT IT. WHAT YOU CAN DO IS CONTACT YOUR PROVIDER. IF YOU HAVE THE PROVIDER OR OPERATOR. I REPEAT THE STEPS. YOU CANNOT IDENTIFY WHO IS DOING THE GROUND GEOLOCATION. FIND THAT YOU SHOULD JUST ASK TO EACH OF THESE PROVIDERS OR TRY BECAUSE YOU DON'T KNOW WHO LIKE WHICH GEOLOCATION PROVIDER. YOU CANNOT KNOW THAT. YOU HAVE SOME SET. AS I SAID, ESIS SPECIALLY WHEN YOU MOVE FROM ONE BLOCK TO ANOTHER OR A COMPANY TO ANOTHER. EVERYBODY HAS THIS GEOLOCATION PROBLEM BECAUSE THEY USE PASSIVE LOCATIONS. THE PROVIDERS USE A PASSIVE GEOLOCATION. I HOPE IN THE FUTURE THEY REDUCE MORE AND MORE ACTIVE OR KEEP UPDATED THIS GEOLOCATION. FIRST THEY SHOULD GO IN YOUR DATABASE AND YOU CHECK THIS INFORMATION THAT YOU PROVIDE THERE IS CORRECT. IF YOU HAVE A PROVIDER THIS MAY BE USEFUL. IN GENERAL A LOT OF GEOLOCATION PROVIDERS USE SUCH INFORMATION. THAT IS THE GEOLOCATION. IF YOU HAVE A GEOLOCATION PROVIDER IT COULD HELP. THE SECOND THING IS IF YOU ARE USING THIS GIOFIELD. IT IS REALLY NOT GOING TO CHANGE SO MUCH. ON YOUR SIDE WHAT YOU HAVE TO DO. THE THIRD SUGGESTION IS YOU GENERATE YOUR GEO FILE. YOU UPDATE AND AND SEND IT TO THE PROVIDERS. THEY PROVIDE 80% OF THE GEOLOCATION. LIKE THESE FOUR YOU CAN MANUALLY CHANGE IT YOURSELF OR SEND THE GEOFEED OR ONE THING YOU COULD ALSO USE TO THE API AT THE MOMENT IS MOST USED SYSTEM. SOME OF THESE PROVIDERS ARE STARTING TO USE IT. IN THE FUTURE IT MAY BE INTERESTING. YOU COULD LIKE PROVIDE YOUR IP, WHATEVER IT IS. YOU PROVIDE THE CITY IN THE WORLD. THIS IS ONE WAY. THE THING THAT IS GOING TO HELP IS SENDING IT THROUGH ALL OF THESE PROVIDERS. KEEP THAT UPDATED. ALSO, WITH THE GEOFEED SEND IT TO GOOGLE AND THEY WILL USE IT FOR THE GEOLOCATIONtaré de ir a algunas que no se repitan. Hay una pregunta en inglés >> QUESTION. WHICH GEOLOCATION CAN I USE THIS IF HIGHLIGHTS ARE IN EDMS? >> I AM NOT SURE AND I CANNOT DISCLOSE SUCH INFORMATION. I DON'T KNOW AT THE MOMENT. I THINK IF YOU CONTACT THEM, THEN YOU CAN. SOME OF THE BIGGEST PROVIDERS LIKE GOOGLE HAVE THEIR OWN SYSTEM. THEY TAKE EVERYTHING INTO ACCOUNT. SOME PROVIDERS, GEOFEEDS AND ALSO THEY CAN CORRECT IT ALSO THEMSELVES IF YOU CONTACT THEM AND PROVIDE THE GEOFEEDstamos pasados del horario, vamos a tratar de responder más preguntas, vamos a extendernos un poco más en el horario. Andrés Acevedo dice ¿Qué vulnerabilidades a nivel de seguridad de la información se tiene al momento de publicar geofit en las entidades? . GEOFEEDS I DIDN'T GET THE LAST PART. >> OKAY. SO THIS IS A REALLY GOOD QUESTION, REALLY GOOD QUESTION. THE FIRST THING I REPEAT. THIS IS SELF-PUBLISHED. YOU CAN PUBLISH ONLY WHAT YOU WANT. YOU CAN JUST DECLARE THAT YOU DON'T WANT TO GIOLOCATE THAT SPECIFIC DATA. THE THING THAT IS THE DEPENDENCY FROM WHAT YOU WANT. GEOLOCATION PROVIDERS. YOU CANNOT PREVENT OTHER PEOPLE FROM DOING LATE TENNESSEE MEASUREMENT. THERE IS NO WAY TO PREVENT THAT. THE GEOFEED, IN PARTICULAR, IS A REPLACEMENT FOR THE HOST NAME. SO THIS IS A STANDARD REPLACEMENT. IT IS ONE SINGLE FORMAT. CLICK HERE. YOU CAN USE. YOU CAN USE IT JUST TO PROVIDE THE GEOLOCATION OF YOUR OFFICE OR OF YOUR IP OF THE USERS. IN THAT CASE IT GOES UP TO THE CITY LEVEL. THE ZIP CODE. YOU CANNOT DISCLOSE ANYTHING ELSE. THE PRIVACY IS UP TO YOU. THE CITY LEVEL GEOLOCATION OF I P ADDRESSES IS THE ADDRESSES THEY LOOKED AT AND THINGS LIKE THIS. NOT SO MUCH YOU CAN REALLY DISCLOSE THAT IS NOT AVAILABLE ALREADY. I HOPE I ANSWERED YOUR QUESTION. YOU CAN ALSO CONTACT ME LATER ON MY E-MAIL IF I DIDN'T ANSWER COMPLETELY OR IF YOU HAVE MORE QUESTIONS. Raúl falla ¿Para los cálculos tuvieron en cuenta parámetros de servicios p>> SO WITH THE SERVICES AT THE MOMENT. THE GEOLOCATION IS A NO GO. NOT ONLY WHEN YOU HAVE THESE ISSUES. AT THE MOMENT YOU HAVE ALWAYS TO CONSIDER THE ACTIVE IP GEOLOCATION IS BEST EFFORT. IF IT IS POSSIBLE TO REACH THE TARGET IN A FEW MILLISECONDS, FINE, OTHERWISE NOT GEOLOCATION. IN THE CASE OF SAT, USUALLY THERE IS A LIMIT ON THE AMOUNT OF TIME THAT YOU TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION. IT IS ALL THE MEASUREMENTS THAT REACHES UP TO 10 MILLISECONDS TO REACH THE TARGET. IF IT IS MORE THERE IS NO GEOLOCATION. >> JUST TO CLARIFY WHAT IS THE COVERAGE AND WHY IS IT POSSIBLE, MAYBE THE PERCENT OF THE CASES TO REACH THE TARGET IN LESS THAN 10 MILLISECONDS. THIS IS AT THE MOMENT THE COVERAGE THAT THE STRUCTURE HAS OF THE LANDMAR. Pregunta en inglés BASE TO BE ABLE TO. [INAUDIBLE] >> YES, SO THE API AT THE MOMENT YOU CAN GO HERE. AT THE MOMENT TWO WAYS. ONE IS BY IP. YOU DON'T NECESSARILY WANT THAT. OTHERWISE, THERE IS AN STP THAT CAN BE DONE. THE STP HAS LESS IDs OF THE API'S FOR THE REGIONS. THE IPs, THE GEOLOCATION WHEN YOU ASKED FOR THE API, YOU GET IMMEDIATELY SOMEBODY ELSE ALREADY ASKED THAT. IF YOU ASK FOR AN IP THIS IS A BIG LIMITATION THAT NOBODY ASKED FOR YOU HAVE TO WAIT SOME MINUTES. YOU HAVE TO USE IT WITH THE DATA THAT YOU WANT TO HAVE. SO IF YOU USE IT YOU WILL HAVE ONLY THE ONES THAT SOMEBODY ASKED AND SOMEBODY REQUESTED THE ANSWER IN THAT CASE. IT IS THE FOLLOW-UP. IF YOU GOOGLE YOU CAN FIND IT FOR SURE. >> NEXT QUESTION. La siguiente es un poco fuera de tópico, quizá puede dejar tu mail. ¿Cómo alejar un sonda que permita hacer geolocalización con las IP asignadas? OKAY. IT LOOKS LIKE SO DON'T CONTACT ME BECAUSE I AM NOT POSITIVE OF THE STUFF. GO DIRECTLY TO CONTACT THEM FOR EVERYTHING. IN GENERAL THERE IS APPLY. JUST GOOGLE IT. THERE WE GO. THERE IS A LIST OF STEPS THAT YOU FOLLOW FOR THE PROBE. THEY WILL SHIP IT FOR FREE. IT IS A SMALL DEVICE. THAT IS ALL. YOU HAVE THE CONNECT IT AND KEEP IT CONNECTED AS MUCH AS YOU CAN. IF YOU CONNECT IT CLOSE TO WHERE YOU HAVE YOUR INFRASTRUCTURE, IT WILL BE MORE ACCURATE. IF YOU PUT IT IN THE SAME INFRASTRUCTURE YOU WILL BE MORE ACCURATE. ANOTHER THING TO DO. THIS IS A SMALL PRICE. IT IS A ONE UNIT THAT IS A ROUTER, BUT YOU CAN LOOK AT THIS PAGE FOR THE BENEFITS THAT YOUMassimo. La siguiente es de Carlos Alejandro ¿Cómo puedo utilizar geolocalización activa en un dispositivo que utiliza geopasiva, por ejemplo F5? >> WHAT? >> I HONESTLY DIFFERENT GET THE ANSWER. THE DEVICE THAT YOU USE WITH GIO. THE DEVICE IS CONNECTED BUT NOT CONNECTED. IF IT IS CONNECTED THEN IT IS ENABLED TO RECEIVE AN ANSWER LATENT TO THE MEASUREMENT OR EVEN H T.T.P. IT IS POSSIBLE TO GIOLOCATE IT. IF THE DEVICE IS CONNECTED, IT IS POSSIBLE TO GEO LOCATE IT. IF IT IS COMPLETELY OFFLINE, IT IS NOT POSSIBLE TO GIOLOCATE IT. IF YOU USE THE PROXY YOU MAY INCREASE THE LOCATION OR GIOLOCATE IT DIFFERENT PLACE BUT SOMEBODY HAS TO BE ABLE TO ACCESS THE TRAFFIC. >> HOW OFTEN DO YOU DO IT AND WHICH REGULARITY? GIOLOCATE THE WHOLE SPACE OR JUST ONE? >> OKAY. THE FIRST QUESTION WAS IF THE IPs. AT THE MOMENT THE AMOUNT IS BECAUSE OF THE USE IN ALMOST ALL RESEARCH CARRIED OUT IN THE GEOLOCATION, THE LATEST YEAR ESSENTIALLY. IF IT IS USED IN A LOT OF EXPERIMENTS, THEY JUST RUN GEOLOCATION OFF. AFTER THEY ARE GENERATED YOU HAVE TO HAVE THE CALCULATION WITH THE EVIDENCE, AFTER THE ANSWERS ARE CACHED FOR SIX MONTHS, YOU CAN CORRECT IT OR YOU CAN ALSO LIKE IN THE FUTURE PUT IT IN YOUR CALCULATION. AT THE MOMENT IT IS CITY LEVEL. IF IT IS NOT POSSIBLE AT CITY LEVEL THERE ARE OTHER OTHER TYPES. MOSTLY IT IS CITY LEVEL. WHEN THE ANSWER IS PROVIDED, IT IS USUALLY CORRECT. AT THE COUNTY LEVEL IT IS ALMOST ALWAYS CORRECT. STILL THE PLATFORM IS NOT YET FULLY ABOUT THIS BODY FOR ALL OF THE OTHERS. NOT NECESSARILY THE CORRECT ANSWER. IT MEANS THAT YOU WILL HAVE THIS. I THINK I ANSWERED IT ANYWAY. >> YES. do, un par de preguntas más, pero quienes tengan más dudas pueden consultar al mail. Uno de los objetivos de la geolocalización IP es para evitar fraudes o uso de ciertas plataformas en ciertas regiones del mundo. Sin embargo, cómo garantizar esto si se utilizan BP >> NOT PERSONALLY. THERE IS A LOT OF WORK GOING OR FOR THE DETECTION. I AM NOT INTO THAT STUDY DETECTION OF VPN. I DON'T THINK I NECESSARILY WILL WORK ON THAT. BUT SOME OF THESE ARE SUCCESSFUL. SOME OF THESE ARE SOLD SO THAT YOU CAN BUY A SERVICE FOR IT. SO THIS IS THE ANSWER. AT THE MOMENT I DO NOT WORK ON THE VPN. I AM SURE THAT THE MAJOR COMPANY HAS SOME FOR THEM. En inglés RESEARCH ON THAT RELATED TO THIS IMAGE THAT WE ARE SHOWING HERE. I CALCULATED WHERE POSSIBLE. UNFORTUNATELY, AT THE MOMENT THE DIFFERENCE IS BIG, ESPECIALLY IN SOME REGIONS OF THE WORLD. THE REASON IS FOR TWO MAIN REASONS. FIRST ONE IS USERS DON'T HAVE IT. IN MAY I RELEASED RESEARCH ABOUT THE IMPACT OF THE CORONAVIRUS ON THE LATE TENNESSEES IN EUROPE. IT WAS ON YOU ON YOU LATENCY IN EUROPE AND DID A COMPARISON. THE REALITY IS THAT IN EUROPE WHICH IS NOT ONE OF THE WORST REGIONS. IN EUROPE IT WAS SO SCARED THAT THE PROBES OF THIS PLATFORM AND OTHER PLATFORMS THEY HAVE HOSTED ON THEM. THEY ARE CONNECTED. WE CANNOT REALLY CALCULATE IT. EVEN AT THE SITE A FEW TARGETS OF KNOWN LOCATIONS. AT THE MOMENT THE ACCURERACY IS EVEN WORSE. IT IS CALCULATED IN ALL REGIONS. I HAVE SOME MEMBERS ASK ME FOR EUROPE AND UNITED STATES. IT IS CLEAR THAT THE ACCURERACY WAS OFF. Vamos con la última, Massimo. Está en inglés Voy a dar tiempo a la traducción porque nos dicen que no se escucha la traducción. >> THE GEOLOCATION FEEDS IS AN INFORMATIONAL INTERNET DROP AND NOT A STANDARD. ARE YOU AWARE IF THERE IS A WORKING GROUP WITH IN THE IETF TRYING TO MAKE THIS STANDARD? >> I WAS THINKING ABOUT THIS THIS MORNING WITH RANDY BUSH, AND, YES, IT IS AN INFORMATIONAL BUT IT HAS BEEN THERE FOR QUITE SOME TIME NOW. NOT ONLY THE INFORMATION AT THE MOMENT EXPIRED THE TENTH OF THIS MONTH. I ALSO MENTIONED THIS INFORMATION IN THE PRESENTATION. AT THE MOMENT IT IS THE ONLY REALLY WELL THOUGHT APPROACH FOR CONTAINING AND FLEXIBLE ENOUGH FOR CONTAINING THE DATA. I AM SURE MAYBE THE CORONAVIRUS WILL KEEP GOING ON WITH THE INFORMATION. ALSO, IT IS THE MOMENT WHERE MORE AND MORE PROVIDERS ARE USING IT. GOOGLE PRODUCES IT AND FOR WHAT I SAID. I DON'T THINK THIS IS GOING TO GO AWAY. I HOPE THERE WILL BE AT SOME POINT A VACCINE, YES, ANYWAY THE INFORMATION WITH ANYTHING WITH THE OPTION THAT HE HAS. esta fue la última, creo que hubo mucho interés, muchas preguntas, mucha participaci en este webinar. Te agradecemos Massimo Candela. No podemos sino darte un aplauso virtual, gracias a todos por quedarse hasta este momento. Nada más, por mi parte no sé si quieres decir algo?